By Sarah Jane Tribble

When President Barack Obama visited the Cleveland Clinic, he used it as a platform for his national health reform efforts. The Clinic, the largest regional employer and an international health-care giant, in turn has used the visit as a springboard to lobby for its views.

In a wide-ranging conversation at The Plain Dealer Wednesday, Clinic Chief Executive and President Dr. Delos "Toby" Cosgrove talked about the future of health care. He expressed frustration that policy-makers are now focusing reform efforts on access to insurance, instead of reducing costs and making Americans healthier. He also explained why he called lawmakers in Washington naive.

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